Power and Battery Life

Earlier in the year AMD was keen to promote that in Renoir it has made significant advances as to how power is managed across the APU, leading to increased performance and better battery life. The two key figures here were ‘20% reduced SoC power’ and ‘5x reduction in power gating latency’ (also known as an 80% reduction, because you can’t have a 5x reduction of a time). We now have some details.

First up it should be mentioned that 7nm helps a lot here. The smaller process node, with smaller transistors (assuming they’ve been laid out correctly), will require a lower voltage. That lower voltage directly translates into lower power, and we’ve seen how well AMD has pushed the 7nm designs on the desktop and in the enterprise space to know that compared to previous process nodes, there is a lot of power to save here. That being said, the design choices and features matter too.

AMD’s power management all goes through a system-level management controller. For this generation, AMD has re-written the firmware with speed in mind (they claim 33% faster), but also made other improvements, such as aggressive clock gating of the L3 cache when not needed, and using power optimized circuits for IO features such as for the embedded display controller and PCIe physical layers.

The updated system management controller (SMC) is built around user preference. In this case if the user tells the OS he or she wants more performance, or more battery life, then the SMC can take into consideration everything involved in the system and plan accordingly. If the OS can provide guidance as to an upcoming workload, then voltages and frequencies (or parts of the chip unused can be put in idle), then the SMC is built to understand it.

Ultimately there are many sensors around the APU, monitoring activity and the type of activity going on in that particular region, even down to the types of instructions being used. The SoC is a lot more dynamic in its clock control, allowing for different clock domains in various parts of the SoC to be adjusted depending on both the activity of the region but also the thermal limits, system limits, and other items that might affect performance. This is especially useful for powering down parts of the SoC that are not in use, leading to AMD’s efficiency claims, or the performance claims such as maintaining a specific bandwidth across an interconnect (quality of service). The thresholds for these activity monitors can be set by the OS and by the user. The SMU also takes into account the power source (battery vs power supply) and connected hardware (displays, power over USB).

For the power gating latency, AMD has doubled the save and restore bus width from the buffers to the cores, allowing for a system to resume faster from a CPUOFF state. Not only this, but AMD is using the ACPI 6.3 specifications to take advantage of offering multiple C states in the OS.

One of the issues of the previous generation of Picasso APUs, on the left, is that there was only a single set of states that the processor could be in. This means that at any time, the CPU could fall from a power state (a P state) into a lower power state, or an idle state, or an off state. If the CPU went too far down this stack, while it would be saving power, each hop down the rabbit hole meant a longer time to get back out of it, diminishing performance and latency but also requiring more power changes at the silicon level. Each hop in its own right requires additional power.

With the new Renoir designs, a system can take advantage of multiple different sets of states. This means that the CPU can’t go down too low when the system is in use. With a system in use, the OS or system controller can’t put parts of the core into low power states because those are not available, which means that even if the system goes into the lowest power mode possible, while the system is still being used, then there are fewer jumps to get back up to high speed.

As the system becomes less used, known as ‘increased idle duration’, then the system has access to sets of states that allow the parts of the APU to enter deeper idle states. This means that the system can only enter a low frequency domain if that part of the core has been sufficiently idle, or user interaction has willed it.

This is all part of the ACPI 6.3 standard, and AMD states that this combined with the reduced SoC power gives both better battery life and better immediate performance for the user. To show this in action, AMD pinpointed a common activity that most users might be familiar with: opening applications.

In this case, AMD took the start of the PCMark 10 Application Loading benchmark. In this benchmark a number of applications are loaded, and the requirements are often more IO driven than CPU driven. A good CPU with a fast reaction time will keep its power and frequency low while the IO requests are being done, and speed up one or two threads when the CPU needs to get involved.

In AMD’s benchmark, where they are using frequency as a proxy for power, They show that in the initial 5 seconds of the test, the new Ryzen 4000 CPU is hovering at an idle frequency, whereas the older Ryzen 3000 CPU is fluttering around, even peaking near 4.0 GHz when it doesn’t need to. This allows parts of the new CPU to be powered down for longer periods of time, even when the system is actually in use.

When I asked AMD’s executives where they stand on battery life, one of them hinted that the difference between themselves and the competition (in similar designs) should be on the order of minutes rather than dozens of minutes. Specifically AMD sees itself better than the competition in productivity/web browsing workloads, graphics workloads, and video playback, and cited that most battery benchmarks don’t often take into account a good mix of ‘the average user’. A number of the media responded that often our benchmarks are geared towards different types of users consummate to our audience, such as gamers or content creators. Ultimately we will see what the results are when we have hardware on hand.

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  • Namisecond - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link

    Are you sure you don't mean an XPS 15 rather than the 13? The 13's have traditionally use U-class processors rather than H-class. Reply
  • deksman2 - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link

    The iGP should be about 30% faster than Zen+.
    AMD improved Vega iGP uArch in Zen 2 mobile, so that per core, that Vega is now 56% faster than Zen+.

    The Zen 2 mobile Vega iGP does apparently have lower amount of compute units, but because of improved performance per core, the iGP should still be about 30% faster than previous iterations.

    So, yes, I do think games set to Medium settings and 1080p should work fine... more to the point, since these APU's also apparently support LPDDR4 with high frequencies, bandwidth won't be a problem... so hypothetically at least we could see even better performance.

    Those improvements that went into Zen 2 mobile Vega will also be integrated in RDNA2.
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  • LittlePaul - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link

    I am wondering on the top left of the die shot, it looks like 64-bit GDDR6 controller comparing to Navi 10 die shot (exactly the same and way different to Piccasso )
    I am dreaming, right?
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  • Spunjji - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link

    Isn't that the CPU cores? Pretty sure that's what it is. Reply
  • uibo - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link

    The Renoir APU graph on the first page has a block called "video codec next 2". I thought the engine was called "Video core next"? Reply
  • edzieba - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link

    Note that AMD have chosen power-under-load as their look-at-the-big-number-we-have 'slide headline' figure, whilst the killer when it came to battery life for Ryzen Mobile 2xxx/3xxx was idle power. Reply
  • Fataliity - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link

    There are slides on other sites, like notebookcheck.com and the video from the australians (hardware unboxed i think) That show the actual slides, and the data AMD themselves got.

    1065G7 still wins in some idles, but renoir pulls ahead in actual use it seems. Which evens out to about equal / slightly better for Renoir, depending on how you weigh it.
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  • Spunjji - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link

    They mention a number of improvements to idle, too - particularly from the Infinity Fabric, which was their big weakness before. Reply
  • anonomouse - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link

    " Compared to the desktop design, the mobile is listed as being ‘optimized for mobile’, primarily by the smaller L3 cache – only 4 MB per quad-core group, rather than the 32 MB per quad-core group we see on the desktop"

    Isn't it 16MB per CCX on desktop?
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  • Farfolomew - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link

    I saw that too and questioned its validity. 32mb per 4-cores? That seems really high (I can't remember what it was reading the Zen2 desktop review last year) and if it's the case, that's a huge cut down for the mobile line Reply

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